I watched a documentary many years ago, I believe it was titled “White Dawn” The researcher marked his territory, ate what the wolves ate—proved wolves could exist on pretty much nothing but mice! I cannot imagine, even on my worst days, a PETA or HSUS person, doing the same thing….
where it PETP? (People for the Ethical Treatment of Plants) after all, plants get killed, too.

i have to agree a bit tho, i did not like how the movie portrays wolves, yes its fictional but so were lots of other movies that gave many dog breeds a bad rap. Wolves are a HUGE target of hate right now. and half the cases of people shooting wolves it was a coyote that made the kill not a wolf. but wolves have such a bad stigma that when i coyote kills livestock people assume it was a wolf.
As someone that rescues wolf dogs its bad enough trying to find these amazing sweet animals homes without a movie like this. portraying them as people eating monsters. i already have people emailing me all the time when i post an available for adoption ad how i should just put the animal down because theyre monsters that will kill children. my gut tells me this movie is going to make that even worse.

Candice Berner and Kenton Joel Carnegie would probably want to comment on this - but they cant since they were killed by wolves in Alaska/surrounding territory in the last 7 years…and the Wisconsin DNR actually went out and trapped/killed a small pack of wolves as they were becoming a threat to local citizens in an up north county - they were brazenly taking pets such as cats and dogs while humans were nearby. And in Wisconsin alone there are over 700 wolves, not including the ones that wander over from Minnesota’s growing population - its becoming a problem so much that the WIDNR are working on getting them off of the federal endangered list permanently. They planned for 300, and now they have twice as many as that and more in the state. And as wolves grow in population, there is now the threat of hybrid coyotes (wolf/coyote) moving into cities and moving east - all of this per the Wisconsin DNR website.

It is a growing issue down in the lower 48 states - even Montana, big sky country, is dealing with it now. Wolves make excellent predators…its their nature. Shame on HSUS for taking such a child-like view on a growing problem for many…Totally irresponsible.

Terry, I think that was ‘Never Cry Wolf’, excellent movie starring Charles Martin Smith from ‘My Three Sons’. Wonderful movie! But I have a friend who goes snowmobiling up in Canada every year, and he says the wolves up there will attack a lone human, so they certainly can be dangerous.

It is a movie.  There are sad movies, happy movies and scary movies involving animals.  They are works of fiction.  Granted there are some based on fact, but this is a fictitious movie.  Anyone ever see BEN?  Is everyone afraid of rats?
I don’t think so.  People that love animals can enjoy a movie and know that none of the animals were hurt in the making of the movie.  That is what gets me through the sad parts or rally happy parts.  It won’t start a rampage against wolves!  Some people are just thinking too much.

wolves and coyotes will not naturally breed except for extreme conditions. normally wolves will kill coyotes they find in their territory. the only hybrid coy/wolves are a result of the last time wolves were killed off to only a few loners. that desperate for a pack joined up with coyote packs. outside of extreme conditions like that they are enemies rivals. And in the midwest the reintroduction of wolves SAVED the pronghorn antelope population from certain doom from the excess numbers of coyotes. that were preying on their defenseless young and almost wiped them out. it was the reintroduction of wolves that brought the coyote population back down and saved the antelopes.
as someone that works with wolves, and hybrids i can tell you it is really easy to scare wolves away make them fear people without killing them. If farmers and ranches started using some of the nonlethal weapons used for bears, they would find these work very well for teaching wolves to stay away. there are also many dog breeds bred specifically to stay with livestock and guard from wolves.
killing of a species that is vital to the ecosystem is not the answer. when the wolves were gone elk populations rose, destroying many plants species that many other animals DEPEND on to survive. the wolves kills half the time feed the bears that steal them.
This is not OUR land its theirs. we need to learn to live around them

People seem to think that humans have the right to never be attacked or predicated upon by carnivorous animals, regardless of how much of their territory we’ve invaded.  And when, or if, they do attack, then gee, let’s go out and eradicate them or think of them as evil. 
Pacelle’s comments mean nothing to me. If HSUS would do half the things they say they do, then maybe I would listen to him.
I don’t allow movies to determine what I believe. What I do hate are the thousands of people that rush out and want to own the exact same “cute” dog/cat that was in a movie, when they don’t know the first thing about caring for an animal, and then it ends up in a shelter because it didn’t do all the cute things that the movie dog/cat did. That chaps me.
If people want to go around and believe everything they see in a movie or hear on the news, then we are in dire straits.

This movie was pretty intense. but it makes you realize although this movie was a little crazy people have to realize that wolves really are dangerous animals. they prefer to hunt and eat live prey and can take prey as big as moose and elk, much more powerful than people. if its an easy meal they’ll take it.

I am a rancher and have been for my entire life - am now 61. we have and have always had lots of coyotes, one winter they were surrounding baby calves - don’t know if they got any but we got those particular coyotes. coyotes usually only go after the weak and/or already dying animals. coyotes do not make kills like wolves do, don’t blame the coyotes for the wolf deeds.  the wolves will come in and take the coyotes, so when you don’t hear the coyotes howling any more starte checking the wolf population.

HSUS/PACELLE pushes “Bambi” to further the Animal Rights propaganda against hunting and “Babe” to emphasis the Animal Rights beliefs against eating meat. These are just TWO of many many animal rights movies (to influence the thinking of children)that support no hunting, veganism & no wearing of fur.

Couldn’t we just substitute the word “wolf” with H$U$ in this whole story and show how Wayne and his pack also prey on the weak humans to feed their salaries and pension fund!

I love wolves dearly, but it’s a movie.  People who look to fiction for their information about the world are pretty dim in the first place…the sort of folks who would never question something a smooth talker like Wayne told them.

Frankly, it’s not a documentary! Do great white sharks really stalk individuals? Do gorillas really climb the empire state building? Do giant aligators really live in Lake Placid and eat whole cows? Do rats really think and coordinate efforts to kill people? I mean, really????

I love wolves. I collect wolf stuff and have even rescued a couple of hybrids. I really like Liam Neeson. I want to see this movie. I know it is just fiction. Why not put your efforts into something really important? You are being rediculous. You would refer to “Babe” which is totally fiction and rediculous. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a cute “story”, but that’s all it is, a kid’s story.

Grow up people. Our country is falling apart and you are all ranting about a stupid movie!

I don’t see how this movie would change the public’s opinions on wolves.  It seems to me most people love wolves.  Look at all the flak Sarah Palin got for supporting the culling of wolves, yet no one cares about politicians who support culling feral pigs, deer or other animals.

As for it being hard to find wolf dogs homes, I would think that would be more due to animal rights activists who claim any animal that hasn’t been bred in captivity for thousands of years isn’t domesticated (which is false - silver foxes were domesticated in 40-50 years) and therefore is an unpredictable killing machine that is going to “turn” on you and kill you and your children, and that it is barbaric to keep them in captivity, even if the animal lives a life no more stressful life than the life of a dog, cat, cow or chicken.

“wolves and coyotes will not naturally breed except for extreme conditions. normally wolves will kill coyotes they find in their territory. the only hybrid coy/wolves are a result of the last time wolves were killed off to only a few loners. that desperate for a pack joined up with coyote packs. outside of extreme conditions like that they are enemies rivals.”

Uh huh. Sure.

“And in the midwest the reintroduction of wolves SAVED the pronghorn antelope population from certain doom from the excess numbers of coyotes. that were preying on their defenseless young and almost wiped them out. it was the reintroduction of wolves that brought the coyote population back down and saved the antelopes.”

How on Earth is a coyote supposed to be able to catch an animal as fast as a pronghorn? Only within the first few weeks maybe, but after that good luck.

“as someone that works with wolves, and hybrids i can tell you it is really easy to scare wolves away make them fear people without killing them.”

Running around and shouting is real scary to an animal that can take on a moose, or whatever your “non-lethal” method is.

“If farmers and ranches started using some of the nonlethal weapons used for bears, they would find these work very well for teaching wolves to stay away. there are also many dog breeds bred specifically to stay with livestock and guard from wolves.”

Which are not much good to anyone if they’ve been killed by wolves.

And nothing is as big a deterrent from roaming near people as something that can AND WILL hurt you.

PS: There are wolves in Europe that will wander out of the forest and into cities to raid garbage cans at night. And Europe’s not known for having always loved wolves.

“killing of a species that is vital to the ecosystem is not the answer.”

Nothing is “vital” to an ecosystem. What may appear out of whack to us is simply an ecosystem realigning itself to the new paradigm. Nothing more or less.

“when the wolves were gone elk populations rose, destroying many plants species that many other animals DEPEND on to survive.”

And then we shoot the elk and have elk burgers all winter.

“the wolves kills half the time feed the bears that steal them.”

And we’re supposed to be able outdo a bear at intimidation? Yeah them wolves is real scared of your efforts at being scary.

“This is not OUR land its theirs. we need to learn to live around them”

That’s rich coming from someone whose home is situated on land that once “belonged” to animals - animals that now have to live somewhere else I might add - and who I’d bet dollars to donuts would call wildlife control to evict a family of raccoons from said home instead of inviting them to join her for supper that night.

Yeah you’re a shining example of “learning to live around” animals.

Well, I’m afraid SOME of what he’s said was right, about wolves.  Wolves DO kill coyotes, with extreme prejudice.  Coyotes aren’t going to take down adult pronghorn—they kill fawns, so it’s actually reasonable to suggest that wolves wiping out coyotes may allow more pronghorn fawns to survive, as the wolves themselves might well kill fewer of them than the coyotes were killing.

Non-lethal methods of deterrence do work on wolves, and a number of methods have been devised which have worked surprisingly well, including playing recorded wolf howls and marking ranch boundaries with wolf urine, and harrassing with dogs and bean bag shots.  Once a wolf pack has been taught to leave an area alone, they teach their pups to do the same, they keep other wolves away, and they kill coyotes.  They can make acceptable neighbors, if given the chance.

It’s really common sense—teach the individual animals, instead of killing them and letting others take their place.  It works with wolves, bears, and coyotes, and it works BETTER than lethal ‘control’.  (Coyotes, for example, just breed faster when people start shooting them, and I have to laugh every time I see some rancher hanging a coyote on his fence to ‘warn off’ the others…that’s just dim).

Without a doubt, the Yellowstone ecosystem, the elk herds, and the grazing lands for those elk, have been much healthier since wolves were reintroduced.  Who wants to eat a small, sick, weak elk?  Predators cull the unfit, human hunters like to go for big racks.

HSUS wouldn’t be as effective at BSing as they were if they weren’t right SOME of the time.  But they aren’t the ones who devised and tested these methods, or recorded this data, they’re just using it to further their agenda.

Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.

frankly, i dont have the time you seem to have to pick apart all of you’re response but i will point out a few things you obviously missed. for example coyotes killing pronghorn. clearly you missed the part about “their defenseless young” when pronghorn antelope are first born they dont have anywhere near the strength to keep up with their parents. so like many antelope species the first few days of their life they curl up and lay low gathering their strength. the coyotes were killing these babies at just days old before they could grow to run with their parents, the wolves always left them alone.
and those people that did get killed by wolves probably did the one thing you should never do with any predator, turn your back or run. but thats any predator if you act like prey instinct kicks in. run from a dog and they will chase.a wolf is not going to risk injury to itself move towards them and they will back off. i’ve chased of many wild wolf “romeos” the young hormone laden males that have left he pack to try and start there own.
It really is as simple as acting as if you will hurt them. the non lethal weapons i was referring to that are currently used and working with bears are rubber bullets, pepper pellets(pepper spray in a paintball type bullet) and various others that hurt very badly but dont leave potentially fatal injuries. and they do work.My uncle has a large ranch in north texas and has successfully taught several young mountain lions, and bears to stay away using these. If it can work on something with as thick a hide as a bear it will have a better affect on wolves.
and funny you mentioned i do have a family of coons on my property, they come in an sneak scraps form the wolfdogs every now and then. we also have a small mom and babies opossum on another end of the property dont see her much.

‘frankly, i dont have the time you seem to have to pick apart all of you’re response but i will point out a few things you obviously missed. for example coyotes killing pronghorn. clearly you missed the part about “their defenseless young” when pronghorn antelope are first born they dont have anywhere near the strength to keep up with their parents. so like many antelope species the first few days of their life they curl up and lay low gathering their strength. the coyotes were killing these babies at just days old before they could grow to run with their parents, the wolves always left them alone.”

You certainly don’t have the time to hone your reading skills either because I did say within the first few weeks, and after that they’ll be too fast to catch.

“and those people that did get killed by wolves probably did the one thing you should never do with any predator, turn your back or run. but thats any predator if you act like prey instinct kicks in. run from a dog and they will chase.”

Not every attack involves someone who was running. Read this.

Read the story of the Delventhals, who were all sleeping in Algonquin Park when their son was attacked.

Also read Don Hamilton’s story. He wasn’t running at all.

And Clarence Lewis wasn’t running either.

[Donna you should read the link too - wolves are wild animals and predators at that and have attacked people, no matter what the wolf-lovers say. If you don’t employ lethal control of animals who do attack people or have been shown to have lost their fear of people you will have problems later on.

When predators start getting bold running at them and making yourself look oh so threatening isn’t going to work. You need lethal control because you can’t tell an animal to stay away, and rubber bullets, pre-recorded howling or whatever will only do so much.]

“a wolf is not going to risk injury to itself move towards them and they will back off. i’ve chased of many wild wolf “romeos” the young hormone laden males that have left he pack to try and start there own.”

Yeah tell that to Zach. And everyone else attacked by a wolf. Even just one wolf.

You may have chased one off, but how are you going to handle multiples? ‘Cause you’re definitely going to have your back turned to a minimum of at least one animal.

“It really is as simple as acting as if you will hurt them. the non lethal weapons i was referring to that are currently used and working with bears are rubber bullets, pepper pellets(pepper spray in a paintball type bullet) and various others that hurt very badly but dont leave potentially fatal injuries. and they do work.”

Right up until the animals get wise to the fact that it may hurt a bit, but doesn’t do serious damage. And then what are you going to do?

“My uncle has a large ranch in north texas and has successfully taught several young mountain lions, and bears to stay away using these.”

Bully for him.

“If it can work on something with as thick a hide as a bear it will have a better affect on wolves.”

Sure it will.

“and funny you mentioned i do have a family of coons on my property, they come in an sneak scraps form the wolfdogs every now and then. we also have a small mom and babies opossum on another end of the property dont see her much.”

[How very touching. But they’re not sharing your house or supping with you at night are they?]

You missed my point there too. And that’s the point of you living on land that was once the home of animals who must now live somewhere else instead.

You moan that it’s “their land we should share it with them”, but are you really sharing? Are you willing to uproot your house so the animals can have their land back? I didn’t think so.

I think it’s easy to sit back and say how great wolves are or how this will work and that will work if you’re not the one who is losing livestock to wolves. When it’s money coming out of your pocket, you might have a different opinion.

Except that there have been programs in place for a long time to compensate livestock owners for wolf kills, so money hasn’t been the issue for ages.

I’m not just saying what will work, but what HAS worked.  What never works, is killing the animals outright.  That’s the most temporary of the solutions, at least if you want to keep both the livestock, and the wolves, in existence. 

Livestock ranchers have a habit of doing things the way they always have, even when shown new ways to do things better.  Take prairie dogs, for example—ranchers still want to shoot them as vermin, in the belief that they compete with cattle for forage.  Actual testing has shown that cattle fatten faster when grazed on prairie dog towns, because the forage the rodents prefer is not the same as what the cattle (or bison) prefer.  The dogs leave the best food for cattle, for the cattle. 

That’s just one example.  Now, some ranchers ARE smart enough to change—these are the guys who leave the prairie dogs alone, and use non-lethal predator control to train their local predators not to come onto the ranch and take livestock.  They have far fewer losses than ranchers who use lethal control.  Real people are using these methods successfully, and benefiting from it.

Personally, I’m a big promoter of ‘use what actually works best, not what’s most familiar’ when it comes to life.

It’s not even about loving wolves…it’s about losing fewer cattle.  How dumb is it to stick to old methods that don’t work as well?

I want to make a comment about sharing the land with wildlife, because some folks are obviously confused by this concept.

First, if you have a mountain lion and a family of raccoons living on 1 acre, they’re sharing that land.  That doesn’t mean the raccoons are welcome inside the mountain lion’s den, or vice versa.  Not allowing animals inside your actual house doesn’t mean you aren’t sharing the land, it means your ‘den’ is your private place—it’s the same for every animal. 

Likewise, sharing does not mean “I give it all to you”.  It means we both get some, and we both get to use it.  For the folks confused on that…were you the younger sibling when you were growing up?  Sounds like a form of sharing that someone’s older brother created, lol.

funny how you say i need to read when you clearly are not reading what i am saying. Yes only within the first few weeks coyotes kill pronghorn but it was the number they were killing without the wolves that almost wiped out the pronghorn.
And did you even fully read the stories you provided as “proof” the majority of those animals especially the one that went after the little boy were found to be sick or injured. an animal that cant hunt its natural prey yes will go after easier targets when it becomes desperate. but all in all wolves attack less people than sharks in a year. and kill less.
I never said attacks dont happen. I have scared off a pack when hiking. really its not that hard.
and i never said they were running at the time of the attack, just that if they turned away or ran that would be a trigger.
And darling you’re ideal of sharing is severely warped.
Donna at least theres one intelligent person out there.
You can pick apart what i write all you want dear but theses methods HAVE been shown to work on wolves.
now i have some wolves to feed.

Some people are just plain selfish! They want it all. They want to be the supreme owner and ruler of all. There is no “human control”. The human populations just keep growing and growing and spreading out over the land, wiping out every living thing that gets in the way. Suffering for this are the wild animals.

God created this world and he set up a perfect system of checks and balances in the wild. Every creature he made has a purpose in keeping things in balance. Wolves are not the problem. Stupid, greedy and dominating people are the problem. Unable to “share” with the wildlife, they would rather eradicate an entire species because they just don’t have the intelligence to deal with it.

I live on a farm. We raise chickens, ducks, geese, goats, an occasional hog and other assorted critters at any given time. We have a lot of wildlife and a pretty major coyote problem here. We try to leave them alone and let them live their lives as God intended. We don’t like killing them. However, once in a while we get one that decides it’s easier to eat our livestock than the rats, rabbits and coons God gave them. When that happens, we simply shoot the offending animal and it is no longer a problem. However, we don’t go out and poison them, or shoot them from airplanes. This includes our wild horses and mustangs that the beef people want to wipe out. They are our heritage and they have every right to be here. They are slowly and systematicly being wiped out by the cattle growers because they compete for grazing land. They were there first. Most Americans don’t want to see them rounded up and wiped out. I do not believe in wiping out an entire species because of one or two that cross the barrier effecting our survival.

We have to protect our livestock, so I can understand that concept. To date, in the 12 years we have lived on this land, we have killed 3 coyotes, 4 foxes, 1 bobcat, 2 possums, 1 raccoon, 1 feral dog and 1 wild domestic tom cat that were all predating on our livestock or threatening our wellbeing in some way. We have also had several offending bears. They are illegal to shoot in Florida. We simply got a paint ball gun and it worked wonders. Offending bears quickly move on when multiple high powered paint balls go flying in their direction. We hold no animosity towards these animals. We don’t “hate” them or blame them for trying to get a free meal. They are just struggling to survive like the rest of us. We did what we had to do to survive, but we didn’t go out and wipe out the entire species. That’s just plain vengeful!

I just think that people who can’t get along with wild things are the same bossy, obnoxious people who can’t get along with the human race either. There are always options. They can control the beasts without hating and wiping out all of them, including the non-offending.

This issue is just one instance where the greed and hatred of man is so obvious. If people could figure out how to exist peacefully with the wild animals, maybe we could exist more peacefully with humans and this world would sure be a better place. This reminds me of the Muslums hating and wanting to wipe out the entire Christian population. It is very anti-solutional. It is just plain stupid!