Don’t forget all the animals that die as road kill from trucks transporting all kinds of food products including fruits and vegetables!!

I once was a vegan.  My motive was to lessen the deaths of animals because I love animals.  Simple logic turned me around and not for the reasons above.  I realized that being a vegan saves NO animals, but it would ultimately cause billions of them never to be born.  People need to do the math.  Animals kept with solid principles of husbandry do far better than their wild counterparts. All animals die at some point and animals born in the wild die much sooner statistically and not in any manner easier than they die with us.  If we have care in how our animals are kept and killed, then being domestic is better in every way than being wild.  It is insane to attempt to halt death by halting life.

Are you aware that over half of the soybeans, wheat, and grains grown in this country are grown to feed animals who are raised for food? And don’t forget about ranchers killing wild animals who threaten their livestock.  You carnists are responsible for THAT, too.

I think I am finally getting the HSUS drift all we have to do is claim our pets wild and they can roam all over with out any of their regulations   seeing they don’t want us to control any of the rabbits, squirrels, deer, bear or anything else that might invade our garden or yard and then there are the mice, chipmunks, and a variety of ants that can just take things over  
I think there are some people that have to get out of their office and see the world as it really is  

The most recent figures from the U.S. soybean industry (2007/2008) are as follows:

Soybeans used for industrial consumption
1.880 metric tons   5%

Soybeans used for animal consumption
29.151 metric tons   75%

Soybeans used for human consumption
7.434 metric tons   20%

On top of that, out of the 7.434 metric tons for human consumption, 6.488 are used for the production of soybean oil (i.e. baking/frying fats, margarine, and salad or cooking oil), not the exclusive domain of vegetarians/vegans. So in fact, if you wanted to ascribe a figure exclusive to vegetarians/vegans, it’d be the figure for soybean meal and whole soybeans for humans: 2.4% of all U.S. soybean production.

But don’t take my word for it. Check the figures for yourself.

LOL.. this is too funny.. the HSUS CANNOT wait for that interchange to be built so they can build their new football field sized “digs’.. ( get it..) the new interchange will allow them to proceed with the new building.. plus a few hundred condos and the like.. there is an article in the archives that addresses this.. makes for very good reading and certainly puts this video in perspective..

I was waiting for one of them to be sprayed by a skunk.

Mr. Martosko erroneously claims below that if “everyone stopped eating meat, we would still be growing about the same amount of soybeans. But nearly all of it would be destined for humane [sic] consumption.”  Yes, nearly all of it would be destined to human (not humane) consumption. But no, soybean production (and the amount of land used for it) would, in fact, diminish. This is basic science. Meat production is an inefficient use of soy (or grains). Soy and grains are used more efficiently when consumed directly by humans. More efficient use of soy and grains leads to diminished production and that in turn means less land used for that purpose. It is no wonder then that in a world where an estimated one in every six people goes hungry each day, the politics of meat consumption are increasingly heated.

The dirty little secret about relocating wild animals is most of the die trying to find way back home. most wild animals are territorial.
If you try and move a raccoon or a possum to a new tree;
  a; It doesn’t smell right so they try to back were they are in familiar surroundings and;
  b; if said tree already has an owner that animal will not share. They tried to re-locate
deer here in St.Louis and most were killed trying to cross the highways.

Aside from the fact that many of these animals will be killed attempting a return to their destroyed habitat or by the competition & predators in the new habitat.  By moving wild animals from one place to another we always risk the spread of disease and interfere with the balance of nature in the new habitat.  It would be wiser to collect or harvest the animals from the habitat to be destroyed.  Once the construction is completed some of the animals could be returned to re-populate a sustainable population for the newly remodeled habitat.  Some of the animals returned will not make it but the strongest and most suited for the new environment will.

Sergio, you clearly don’t know anything about food economics. If people stop eating meat, they’re not just going to erase all those calories (and all that protein) from their diets! Tofu and other soy proteins will replace animal protein, right? Therefore we’ll need to cultivate a hell of a lot more soybeans. “Diminished production” of soy would only be expected if meat was replaced by leafy greens or, say, rice. But then you’re going to need a lot more land to grow THOSE crops. Also, much of the soy crop raised for animal feed is totally inappropriate for human consumption. (This is because much of the land where those crops are grown can’t support the higher-quality soy that human diets need.) So if you shift the whole agronomy toward tofu, you’re going to have to cultivate A LOT MORE land than is currently in production. That means clearcuts. Lots of clearcuts.

Did you read what you wrote before you clicked “submit”? Come and visit us out in Kansas sometime (when you finish college, that is…) ... We’ll teach you a few practical things that your theory never contemplated.

From this link, this extension is exactly what the HSUS said needed to be completed before their development and is the area from which they are removing the wildlife.

http://www.gaithersburgmd.gov/poi/default.asp?POI_ID=309&TOC=307;309;&id=4538
http://humanewatch.org/images/uploads/2007-10_HSUS_Gaithersburg.pdf

I’m assuming here that all these vegans are also eating organic.  Is that a valid assumption?  If so, how many years are they going to be able to grow all those soybeans anyway?  Once all the animals are freed and they’ve used up the residual manure piles, are they going to follow the freed cattle and pigs around with pooper scoopers so they can fertilize their fields?  Because organic fertilizer does not come from a chemical plant - it comes from an animal farm.  I’m having a logical disconnect here.  Ah, I see the problem - it comes from assuming logic!

“Sergio” and “Danielle” are well-known H$U$ sock puppets. “They” roam the internet looking for anti-vegan blog posts to troll. Anything “they” say is intrinsically suspect, and in all likelihood an exaggeration or outright lie. “They” aren’t even real people, so “they” have no compunctions about spreading propaganda and fraud.

Whichever paid staffer at the H$U$ runs “them” is at least semi-literate, but isn’t smart enough to even attempt to make “them” sound different, which fact becomes painfully apparent when “they” both post repeatedly on one blog.

It would almost be funny, if these wingnut fanatic criminals weren’t so dangerous.

DanielleinDC—

I’m going to assume that you’ve never spent too much time around the livestock that we ranch people kill wild animals to protect.

Let me inform you of something. A wild animal that sometimes gets killed is a wolf. I’ve seen a small pack of wolves kill an ENTIRE sheep farm. And here’s the kicker—the wolves aren’t hungry, because they didn’t eat one carcass.

That’s right, they killed them all because it’s what wolves do.

So forgive me, but because ranchers love and respect their animals as their livelihood and way of life, sometimes a wild animal or two needs to go away.

We have the highest regard for our animals—horses, cattle, sheep, pigs, dogs, cats—and we strive to give them the best life and the kindest death we can when the time comes.

I’d rather my sheep are slaughtered humanely, rather than their throat ripped out by a wolf.

And don’t worry—the wolf doesn’t feel a thing either. Ranchers are darn good shots.

Ranch Girl makes an interesting point. In this world, animals kill animals. Heck, some animals attack HUMANS, so if a society of humans claim that ALL animals are sacred, they are theoretically promoting animal life above human life—and that tends to bring about the corollary that animals have the right to attack, kill, and even eat each other and even humans, but humans themselves do NOT have the right to defend themselves against said animals, let alone enjoy eating the flesh of the same species that the “predator animals” kill every day (usually with MUCH less humane methods than humans are capable of, although I personally wouldn’t trust a wolf with a loaded rifle even if it had both paw-eye coordination and THUMBS. Then again, I wouldn’t trust some of these other commenters with a loaded rifle either, but that’s just me). This reeks of hypocrisy, because for some animals to live, other animals have to die. Has “Danielle” ever considered that her precious “wild animals that threaten (ranchers’) livestock” are going to maul and devour living creatures anyway, whether said creatures are wild or tame?

On another note, Wendy’s argument that “all animals are going to die anyway” can be extrapolated to “all HUMANS are going to die anyway as well,” and the implications considering this statement make me extremely nervous. Without a Source of Absolute Truth, human beings are reduced to making up their own “truth” and (in my personal experience) trying to shove it down as many throats as possible so they can rule the intellectual community (and thus the world). Essentially, a purely humanistic view of life will get you nowhere, except maybe in a violent shouting match with some organization that believes the exact opposite of what YOU believe.

So what SHOULD we believe? Well, in my personal experience, I find this particular rule of thumb to be quite helpful—http://www.gospel.com/topics/by+their+fruit—because it’s pretty easy to apply. You just have to take a good look at what’s REALLY going on in the world, and usually you can’t find that by “media surfing.” You can’t judge a book by its cover; you have to flip through the pages. I thank God that so many of you people who actually have some clue as to what you’re talking about (whether I agree with you or not) have the courage to post here. (Yes, Ranch Girl, that includes you.) I find that the best way to learn the truth about something you haven’t directly experienced is to ask those who HAVE directly experienced it. Somehow, I’m not sure if half the people who write mud-slinging articles have the faintest idea what they’re talking about.

And in this category, I heartily and humbly include myself, as I took six years to get through high school and haven’t even had the nerve to endure a single year of college yet because of my place on the Autism Spectrum.

Cal and David, think logically, please. Who eats more grain, a human or a cow?

The grain currently used for raising meat animals could end world hunger (no to mention all the innocent lives spared; and the super positive impact on the environment.)

elipaws, are you saying that if all the cows we raised for meat were set free to roam and WE ate their grain, world hunger would be ended? All those cows would STILL need to eat SOMETHING, or else they’d starve. Research India sometime, where loads of cows run feral and no one’s allowed to kill them, and tell me how well they’ve ended hunger THERE.

Then get back to me when you’ve found a cure for gluten intolerance that will allow ME to eat most grains without getting sick.

Sorry about being terse and possibly rude, but I feel very strongly about issues regarding humans attempting to reshape the world based on the latest intellectual fad instead of what’s been proven to work. (Check that; nowadays it seems like NOTHING AT ALL works. We’re headed for this planet’s destruction no matter what, but that’s a totally different subject, and if you want an End Times lecture, this is not the website to go to..)